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	<title>Comments on: Social business strategy is not about twitter. It&#8217;s about business models, innovation and people</title>
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		<title>By: Tamir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tamir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 02:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree that it&#039;s an evolution and about playing with these tools together with bought and owned media. Not sure about the Shakira case and who to blame for the limp sales tough. The social play, the label or maybe the album.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree that it&#8217;s an evolution and about playing with these tools together with bought and owned media. Not sure about the Shakira case and who to blame for the limp sales tough. The social play, the label or maybe the album.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bands have always had methods of communicating direct with their fans though ... at gigs primarily. plus things like street teams, fanzines, fan clubs, in store performances.

sure, maybe megastars lack this but most musicians and bands aren&#039;t megastars.

re itunes - yes you can have distribution through itunes as an indie artist but distro is nothing without promotion ... and you&#039;d find most of the key promo modules on itunes and similar services are driven by labels either through marketing or product managers.

not saying i don&#039;t agree with some of what you&#039;re saying - it&#039;s just more an evolution not a revolution.

Would also be absolutely great to see some real metrics around some of these initiatives to back up whether the artists do know how to market their product better than the label - ie revenue, especially for pop artists. I noticed the shakira LP isn&#039;t in the US top 200 and is in the 40&#039;s in Europe. Pretty limp sales for an artist of this size.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bands have always had methods of communicating direct with their fans though &#8230; at gigs primarily. plus things like street teams, fanzines, fan clubs, in store performances.</p>
<p>sure, maybe megastars lack this but most musicians and bands aren&#8217;t megastars.</p>
<p>re itunes &#8211; yes you can have distribution through itunes as an indie artist but distro is nothing without promotion &#8230; and you&#8217;d find most of the key promo modules on itunes and similar services are driven by labels either through marketing or product managers.</p>
<p>not saying i don&#8217;t agree with some of what you&#8217;re saying &#8211; it&#8217;s just more an evolution not a revolution.</p>
<p>Would also be absolutely great to see some real metrics around some of these initiatives to back up whether the artists do know how to market their product better than the label &#8211; ie revenue, especially for pop artists. I noticed the shakira LP isn&#8217;t in the US top 200 and is in the 40&#8217;s in Europe. Pretty limp sales for an artist of this size.</p>
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		<title>By: tamir</title>
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		<dc:creator>tamir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 06:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben, always good to hear from you. I don&#039;t think that artists (also brands) ever had such exclusive tools to communicate directly with their followers. Earned media is now helping artists to reach old and new audiences. Large scale distribution... fair enough but don&#039;t you see itunes as such?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben, always good to hear from you. I don&#8217;t think that artists (also brands) ever had such exclusive tools to communicate directly with their followers. Earned media is now helping artists to reach old and new audiences. Large scale distribution&#8230; fair enough but don&#8217;t you see itunes as such?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 22:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn&#039;t a new thing ... generally artists have always known how to reach their core audience and artists have been &quot;doing it for themselves&quot; for the better part of the last 50 years ... the job of the label generally is reaching new audiences and distribution that requires large scale/resource</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t a new thing &#8230; generally artists have always known how to reach their core audience and artists have been &#8220;doing it for themselves&#8221; for the better part of the last 50 years &#8230; the job of the label generally is reaching new audiences and distribution that requires large scale/resource</p>
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		<title>By: martyn thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>martyn thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the Youtube direct model of &#039;citizen stringers&#039; certainly puts the traditional media proposition into question. There is a new generation of media consumers coming through who are unfettered by constraints on consumption, creation and distribution of content....which many of us have. They will have a fresh take on media content and we can be sure that it will inevitably be unpredictable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the Youtube direct model of &#8216;citizen stringers&#8217; certainly puts the traditional media proposition into question. There is a new generation of media consumers coming through who are unfettered by constraints on consumption, creation and distribution of content&#8230;.which many of us have. They will have a fresh take on media content and we can be sure that it will inevitably be unpredictable.</p>
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		<title>By: Tamir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tamir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or maybe it&#039;s about print holding hands with augmented reality: http://threeminds.organic.com/2009/11/esquires_augmented_reality_iss.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or maybe it&#8217;s about print holding hands with augmented reality: <a href="http://threeminds.organic.com/2009/11/esquires_augmented_reality_iss.html" rel="nofollow">http://threeminds.organic.com/2009/11/esquires_augmented_reality_iss.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tamir</title>
		<link>http://frankvizeum.com.au/2009/11/18/social-business-strategy-is-not-about-twitter-its-about-business-models-innovation-and-revenues/comment-page-1/#comment-54252</link>
		<dc:creator>Tamir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 01:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe Youtube Direct is the future of news? : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgGxi3hiOnY&amp;feature=player_embedded</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Youtube Direct is the future of news? : <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgGxi3hiOnY&#038;feature=player_embedded" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgGxi3hiOnY&#038;feature=player_embedded</a></p>
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